December 8, 2009

The Charmr Project

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*** (19:21):Welcome to The Charmr Project Chat , Mama Belle !
Mama Belle says to (19:22):
I’m early too. Just gonna wait
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*** (19:24):Welcome to The Charmr Project Chat , bernfarr !
bernfarr says to (19:25):
Bernard here. I know I’m early but didn’t want to miss the fun.
gina says (19:26):
hey bernard
gina says (19:26):
how are u
*** (19:31):Welcome to The Charmr Project Chat , rjommp !
rjommp says to (19:31):
where’s the ballons and party hats have yeah missd me lol
rjommp says to (19:32):
website looks good Gina
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*** (19:33):Welcome to The Charmr Project Chat , rjommp !
*** (19:34):Welcome to The Charmr Project Chat , 30ccsteven !
30ccsteven says to (19:34):
hello all
rjommp says to (19:34):
hello
30ccsteven says to (19:34):
have the night off, working days for a few days
rjommp says to (19:37):
I’m just in here for a little while. Wanted to let Gina and John know am still alive:P
bernfarr says to (19:39):
Gina, I’m well. My bike ride for Dr. Faustman’s research is this Sunday.
bernfarr says to (19:40):
On Monday I celebrate (!) the 35th anniversary of my Type 1 diagnosis. Yay, I’m still here!
rjommp says to (19:41):
Her research sounds hopeful. Don’years this Oct and still spry. lol
30ccsteven says to (19:42):
good to hear about your 35 years and still ticking.
rjommp says to (19:42):
Congrats on still being here
30ccsteven says to (19:43):
I often hope to make 5 more, and be glad to do more.
rjommp says to (19:43):
holy crap let me rewrite that don’t want you to feel young but have had type one 41 years 42 this Oct
bernfarr says to (19:44):
rjommp Good 4u. That gives me a stretch goal. lol. I’m looking 4ward 2 the Lilly medal in 15 years time
rjommp says to (19:44):
Are they making it in gold yet? lol
*** (19:46):Welcome to The Charmr Project Chat , Rachel Hinman !
rjommp says to (19:46):
Hello Rachel
Rachel Hinman says to (19:46):
hello!
*** (19:46):Welcome to The Charmr Project Chat , AllisonBlass !
rjommp says to (19:47):
Hi Allison
AllisonBlass says to (19:47):
Hey
bernfarr says to (19:47):
Hey Allison! U made it w/out running out of gas!
AllisonBlass says to (19:47):
LOL
AllisonBlass says to (19:47):
Oh that was a couple hours ago
AllisonBlass says to (19:48):
How is everyone?
rjommp says to (19:48):
doing well here
Rachel Hinman says to (19:48):
doing well here, too
bernfarr says to (19:48):
Pumped! Especially to hear more about the interest (if any) in Charmr.
Rachel Hinman says to (19:48):
yes – i have been looking forward to hearing your feedback
bernfarr says to (19:49):
Do u think a medical company might pick it up? Cause AdaptivePath is really in the concept space right?
Rachel Hinman says to (19:50):
well, our hope is to work with a medical company to pick it up
gina says (19:50):
hi everyone
Rachel Hinman says to (19:50):
since we posted the concept to our site, a number of companies have contacted us
bernfarr says to (19:50):
Can I tell u that I didn’t think the cover concept over the combined pump/cgm wouldn’t work.
bernfarr says to (19:51):
Because of the need to move the infusion set every few days, vs the need to move the CGM every week or so.
Rachel Hinman says to (19:51):
tell me more…
gina says (19:51):
hey Rachel! woow you are our earliest guest ever haha
*** (19:51):Welcome to The Charmr Project Chat , ArdRhi !
Rachel Hinman says to (19:51):
🙂
gina says (19:51):
officially we will start at 9pm for the others
bernfarr says to (19:51):
And because you can’t use the infusion set in the same place or you get tissue problems.
bernfarr says to (19:52):
Whereas you can leave a CGM sensor in place for 2 weeks (trust me) w/o any issues.
*** (19:52):Welcome to The Charmr Project Chat , mama2h !
Rachel Hinman says to (19:52):
where do you put the CGM sensor?
AllisonBlass says to (19:52):
Mel and I were talking about this on Saturday, and we both agreed that the overall machine was more important than having the two sets together.
bernfarr says to (19:53):
Currently mine is in my abdomen. Whereas my infusion set has been working across my butts for the last month or so!
Rachel Hinman says to (19:53):
interesting
gina says (19:53):
i had to move my pump site all the way up into my rib area because i had scar tissue problems
bernfarr says to (19:53):
I agree with Allison. Focus on the benefit of a combined controller/software.
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Rachel Hinman says to (19:53):
that is good to know
*** (19:53):Welcome to The Charmr Project Chat , rjommp !
bernfarr says to (19:54):
Right and some parents are using the backs of arms for their kids because of the lack of available tissue elsewhere.
*** (19:54):Welcome to The Charmr Project Chat , Mama Belle !
mama2h says to (19:54):
We have no luck anywhere else but the arm
AllisonBlass says to (19:54):
The actual Charmr (not the site area) was what got people talking.
gina says (19:54):
bernard they wanted me to switch it there but i said NOOOO
rjommp says to (19:54):
catch yeah all later
bernfarr says to (19:54):
TTFN rjommp
mama2h says to (19:55):
Hailey has much better results there gina. We had terrible results on the abd and butt
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Rachel Hinman says to (19:55):
so i am curious to hear what aspects of the controller were the most appealing to people
bernfarr says to (19:55):
My soapbox issue is that the software is key. Also the ability to get the data out of the system so you can load it onto sites like sugarstats, etc.
bernfarr says to (19:55):
Controller size was great.
gina says (19:55):
yea
bernfarr says to (19:56):
How about 2 different controllers with diff. form factors.
mama2h says to (19:56):
I liked the size and appearance
AllisonBlass says to (19:56):
I like being able to look at something and see stats right away
bernfarr says to (19:56):
One for configuration and control. The other for evenings when you might just want to carry a small one round with u?
mama2h says to (19:56):
That would be nice
Rachel Hinman says to (19:57):
when we conducted the research, i was very surprised at the size of current pumps
AllisonBlass says to (19:57):
they’re huge
AllisonBlass says to (19:57):
I have no idea what inside them…
mama2h says to (19:57):
They are huge 🙁
bernfarr says to (19:57):
Hah. Have u seen the size of the Dexcom? And you’re carrying that +pump +mobile phone. I need 3 hips.
gina says (19:57):
lol
*** (19:57):Welcome to The Charmr Project Chat , jon !
AllisonBlass says to (19:57):
yeah, I wore one. It’s ridiculous
mama2h says to (19:57):
lol
*** (19:58):Welcome to The Charmr Project Chat , scott m !
gina says (19:58):
the thing i really dont like is that huge patch looking thing on the body
AllisonBlass says to (19:58):
I like the idea of having the pump be the size of the resevoir… maybe a little longer for the computer chip.
mama2h says to (19:58):
poor Hailey’s pants sag now because of the pump and cell phone
*** (19:58):Welcome to The Charmr Project Chat , Abby-Dabby-Doo !
AllisonBlass says to (19:58):
and then having the conroller that I can put anywhere.
Rachel Hinman says to (19:58):
one girl we talked to is a marathon runner – she tried a pump for 6 months and gave up – it was just too difficult to carry it around and run with it
scott m says to (19:59):
Hey Room!
mama2h says to (19:59):
hi
Rachel Hinman says to (19:59):
hello!
30ccsteven says to (19:59):
hi
bernfarr says to scott m (19:59):
Agreed. It jiggles a lot. Why do they make the reservoirs round? If it were flatter, they might slim it all down. Hi Scott M.
*** (19:59):Welcome to The Charmr Project Chat , Ryanheroboy !
mama2h says to (19:59):
very true bernard
Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (20:00):
Greetings everyone!
bernfarr says to scott m (20:00):
Also. Why do we have to change both reservoir and infusion set at same time. If we had smaller reservoir, could change that daily and have a smaller pump?
gina says (20:00):
i love that the charmr looks like a jump drive
mama2h says to (20:00):
hi 😀
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scott m says to Abby-Dabby-Doo (20:00):
wow, I have no idea what Charmr is… I guess I’ll learn something new tonight
Mama Belle says to (20:00):
Hi Lanae
gina says (20:00):
well the whole poiont of the pump is to change it every three days
*** (20:00):Welcome to The Charmr Project Chat , sstrumello !
AllisonBlass says to (20:00):
bernerd, i don’t change them at the same time.
bernfarr says to scott m (20:00):
Hey sstrumello good 2cu
bernfarr says to scott m (20:00):
Allison, what do u do?
sstrumello says to (20:01):
Thx all … late day in the office, dinner and all that!
AllisonBlass says to (20:01):
well I accidentally bought too small of resevoir.
Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (20:01):
Scott your in for a treat tonight. I got supper done and the hubby is doing the dishes:D
AllisonBlass says to (20:01):
so I add new insulin about every 2-3 days and wear the set 3-4 days.
*** (20:01):Welcome to The Charmr Project Chat , Jill. !
gina says (20:01):
this is a chat about the charmr to see the video click here <a href=”http://www.adaptivepath.com/blog/2007/08/14/charmr-a-design-concept-for-diabetes-management-devices/”>http://www.adaptivepath.com/blog/2007/08/14/charmr-a-design-concept-for-diabetes-management-devices/</a>
mama2h says to (20:01):
No fair Lanae! Can I borrow him 😉
Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (20:01):
This is a one time deal, and you know I’ll have to pay for it later
mama2h says to (20:02):
lol
bernfarr says to scott m (20:02):
I really liked the size of the charmr controller. And it looked good. Why does diabetes stuff have to look like a Model T Ford? Any color as long as it’s black.
ArdRhi says to (20:02):
I’m not sure why I was invited…I’m not insulin-dependent…*scratching head*
Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (20:02):
How are you Heidi?
gina says (20:02):
maybe they can make the charmr look like the new ipod
gina says (20:02):
rachel are you still with us?
Jill. says to (20:02):
what is charmr?
Rachel Hinman says to (20:02):
i am
mama2h says to (20:02):
No kidding! Pink is a must! Purple would be awsome, and not that dark purple, I am talking bright
Mama Belle says to (20:02):
Good, you?
Rachel Hinman says to (20:02):
so color is important – the external color of the product
Rachel Hinman says to (20:02):
that is good to know
Mama Belle says to (20:03):
PINK!!!
bernfarr says to scott m (20:03):
Making it more fun is important especially 4 kids.
mama2h says to (20:03):
It is for my 11 yr old!
gina says (20:03):
jill click here <a href=”http://www.adaptivepath.com/blog/2007/08/14/charmr-a-design-concept-for-diabetes-management-devices/”>http://www.adaptivepath.com/blog/2007/08/14/charmr-a-design-concept-for-diabetes-management-devices/</a>
Jill. says to (20:03):
k thanx
Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (20:03):
Tired, and we still have bath, site change, and getting stuff ready for tomorrow.
sstrumello says to (20:03):
OK, the kids colors don’t work for me, especially when I wear a business suit. Not everyone with type 1 is 8 years old!
gina says (20:03):
lol
mama2h says to (20:03):
If they have to wear it all of the time it needs to be “cool”
AllisonBlass says to (20:03):
*Variety*
Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (20:03):
Pink would look cool with a business suit!
bernfarr says to sstrumello (20:04):
My daughter (not a diabetic) wonders why the test strips themselves don’t come in diff. colors.
mama2h says to (20:04):
Fusia 😀
Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (20:04):
Use it as a tie clip!
AllisonBlass says to (20:04):
One size fits all diabetes supplies is so 20th century.
Rachel Hinman says to (20:04):
our thought was that a lot of the customizaiton/color choices could be done on the screen
bernfarr says to (20:04):
Sorry got locked into talking with sstrumello only. My daughter (not a diabetic) wonders why the test strips themselves
don’t come in diff. colors.
mama2h says to (20:04):
that would be awsome too!
sstrumello says to (20:04):
I want this stuff to take a minimum of abdominal real estate!
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Rachel Hinman says to (20:04):
the exterior of the product could be somewhat neutral but people could customize the ambient display –
mama2h says to (20:05):
yeah, make the set itself smaller
gina says (20:05):
yea the infusion set looks huge with that big patch
mama2h says to (20:05):
make it clear!
gina says (20:05):
not very nice when you are out in your bathing suit
Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (20:05):
And on a child, it would look even bigger
mama2h says to (20:05):
both the pump and the set
*** (20:05):Welcome to The Charmr Project Chat , t1p !
Rachel Hinman says to (20:05):
yeah – the infusion “soft fleshy thing” used in the movie on our site is big – too big
gina says to Rachel Hinman (private) (20:05):
rachel press the B to make your answers bold
gina says (20:06):
way too big
mama2h says to (20:06):
Oh yeah, I forgot about that! That would be great, my only issue is it would be hard to match every skin tone.
bernfarr says to (20:06):
I’d love to see software that would show bg readings and insulin taken (plus user comments) on one graph. Is that part of concept?
Rachel Hinman says to (20:06):
we used the strapless bra inserts that women use for strapless dresses as a model
Rachel Hinman says to (20:06):
the ones that “stick” to the skin
*** (20:07):Welcome to The Charmr Project Chat , duckfeetep !
Rachel Hinman says to (20:07):
we liked the material, but the scale was too big
sstrumello says to (20:07):
Another thing I would add is that the adhesives need to be top-of-the-line. When I wore my pump, I had to prep my sites with Skin-Tac H to get them to stay on after 1 shower.
AllisonBlass says to (20:07):
Oh.. so that’s what that was!
gina says (20:07):
i think its better to just keep it the way they usually look
Rachel Hinman says to (20:07):
yeah?
AllisonBlass says to (20:07):
Gary Scheiner had the idea of making sets flesh colored.
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*** (20:07):Welcome to The Charmr Project Chat , Mama Belle !
AllisonBlass says to (20:07):
You know how they are usually white?
mama2h says to (20:07):
we prep the heck out of sites with two different wipes 🙁
AllisonBlass says to (20:07):
If you made them beige they might be less noticeable…
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mama2h says to (20:08):
I would love to see them clear so I don’t have to worry about matching flesh tones
gina says (20:08):
the only time i had a site pop out was in the summer when the air at work was broken
gina says (20:08):
yea i agree mama
sstrumello says to AllisonBlass (20:08):
Yes, but whose flesh color … we live in a diverse society!
mama2h says to (20:08):
exactly
AllisonBlass says to (20:08):
I’m not the one who suggested it…
Rachel Hinman says to (20:08):
that is true, too
bernfarr says to (20:08):
Well the groovy patches helped (I think).
AllisonBlass says to (20:08):
Geez…
mama2h says to (20:08):
lol
Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (20:08):
I agree on the groovy patches
gina says (20:08):
clear is the way to go!
*** (20:08):Welcome to The Charmr Project Chat , chelsea !
Rachel Hinman says to (20:08):
interesting
gina says (20:08):
for me at least
*** (20:08):Welcome to The Charmr Project Chat , stacey !
Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (20:09):
Have more than one choice is the way to go
sstrumello says to gina (20:09):
Clear works for most everyone, I think
*** (20:09):Welcome to The Charmr Project Chat , Mama Belle !
mama2h says to (20:09):
could offer tones and clear, imho we would go for clear
stacey says to (20:09):
have I missed anything??
Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (20:09):
Mama B what are you doing goin in and out?
daddy says to (20:09):
too many choices may affect manufacturing costs
t1p says to scott m (20:09):
but isnt the point to hise it then clear wouldnt work?
gina says (20:09):
maybe the back of the charmr can be like a medic alert too
Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (20:09):
Haven’t missed too much
Mama Belle says to (20:09):
But flesh tones vary by race
bernfarr says to (20:09):
Yep. More colors, more configuration (with default easy approach) is best of all. More infusion set lengths, more more. I want it ALL:)
mama2h says to (20:09):
that would be a good idea gina
daddy says to (20:10):
so what is today’s topic?
Rachel Hinman says to (20:10):
so i am curious to know what you guys currently use – and the problems you have with what you currently use
stacey says to (20:10):
my son wants colored tubing.. to match the insets
bernfarr says to daddy (20:10):
daddy it’s the charmr
gina says (20:10):
daddy click here <a href=”http://www.adaptivepath.com/blog/2007/08/14/charmr-a-design-concept-for-diabetes-management-devices/”>http://www.adaptivepath.com/blog/2007/08/14/charmr-a-design-concept-for-diabetes-management-devices/</a>
daddy says to (20:10):
but i hought we were talking about the future?
Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (20:10):
Can’t get approval on CGMS- due to age (thanks FDA)
daddy says to (20:10):
sure, but what about the charmr are we talking about?
bernfarr says to daddy (20:10):
<a href=”http://www.adaptivepath.com/blog/2007/08/14/charmr-diabetes-management-research-%e2%80%94-theres-no-vacation-from-diabetes/”>http://www.adaptivepath.com/blog/2007/08/14/charmr-diabetes-management-research-%e2%80%94-theres-no-vacation-from-diabetes/</a>
Mama Belle says to (20:10):
The pump is too big and bulky.
gina says (20:10):
i use the paradigm 512
mama2h says to (20:10):
yes, too big and ugly
Mama Belle says to (20:10):
We use Cozmo
gina says (20:10):
its huge
Mama Belle says to (20:11):
But we love the intuiticve menus
Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (20:11):
MM 522
stacey says to (20:11):
Cozmo here too…
Mama Belle says to (20:11):
er, intuitive
mama2h says to (20:11):
we have mm 722 w/cgms and it is just ugly and not fun at all
daddy says to (20:11):
but the existing companies are continuing to make stuff smaller, so what is interesting about that?
bernfarr says to (20:11):
Cozmo is nice because of extra features. But I’m using an aged MM512
gina says (20:11):
i dont mind the sets on my body i just cant stand wearing the machine
daddy says to (20:11):
all tetchnology will get smaller over time
*** (20:11):Welcome to The Charmr Project Chat , chuck27 !
bernfarr says to (20:11):
daddy there are limits because of the size of the reservoir and motor to drive it.
mama2h says to (20:11):
yes, but the pump companies are just soo far behind the current technology
scott m says to Mama Belle (20:11):

MDI… I feel behind the curve:P
Mama Belle says to (20:12):
But if we can make computers the size of our plam, can’t we make a smaller pump
daddy says to (20:12):
there are nano sized pumps that are coming
Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (20:12):
I’m interested in how LOUD the alarms re going to be.
daddy says to (20:12):
mems technology and other types of insulin.
daddy says to (20:12):
i know of several companies working on thhose
stacey says to chuck27 (20:12):
but how much insulin can a nano pump hold . I have a 15 year old who uses over 100U a day
bernfarr says to (20:12):
I think the big delays is because of need to clear FDA which means trials and results and long time periods.
mama2h says to (20:12):
and navigator was coming out last christmas. I am sick of hearing that it is “coming soon”
sstrumello says to daddy (20:12):
They have made the pumps smaller by cutting the reservoir sizes, not reducing the mechanics inside!
Rachel Hinman says to (20:12):
who do you guys feel is a progressive medical device company?
bernfarr says to (20:12):
But nano pumps could use highly concentrated insulin.
bernfarr says to (20:13):
Agamatrix , nice new meters.
daddy says to (20:13):
they have reduces teh mechanics (e.g. omnipod), but also other MEMS technologies (mm sized pumps)
sstrumello says to bernfarr (20:13):
I have an Agamatrix meter, but no test strips yet!!
mama2h says to (20:13):
never heard of it
AllisonBlass says to (20:14):
Omnipod is not that small…
AllisonBlass says to (20:14):
And you have to carry around the receiver, so you’ve just added onto it practically.
Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (20:14):
Medical device company?! We just go through the pump company.
mama2h says to (20:14):
at least it is tubeless
Rachel Hinman says to (20:14):
okay – a progressive pump company?
daddy says to (20:14):
look into MEMS and nano, there are very tiny pumps that are going into next gen systems (they are only a few MMs in size)
Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (20:14):
MM
gina says (20:14):
minimed
mama2h says to (20:14):
MM has the cgms, imho they are the front runners
AllisonBlass says to (20:15):
Minimed would be the top guys, I think.
bernfarr says to (20:15):
Not MM. They are the elephant. Maybe one of the newer ones.
Mama Belle says to scott m (20:15):
I dunno, I think Cozmo has put a lot into their pumps that MM doesn’t think of
mama2h says to (20:15):
they at least try to make it better with the skins and such
daddy says to (20:15):
<a href=”http://www.diabetesnet.com/diabetes_technology/insulinpumps_debiotech.php”>http://www.diabetesnet.com/diabetes_technology/insulinpumps_debiotech.php</a>
bernfarr says to (20:15):
Dexcom is at least up to MM by now. IMO
AllisonBlass says to (20:15):
Honestly, go with the one who seems the most willing to listen to your feedback, our feedback and make this thing work.
AllisonBlass says to (20:15):
If Minimed jumps all over it, who are we to say no?
daddy says to (20:15):
everything on the market is five years old due to FDA etc. new technologies are light years ahead, in the works.
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daddy says to (20:16):
AllisonBlass you are right, it’s about the service really
*** (20:16):Welcome to The Charmr Project Chat , Jill. !
sstrumello says to mama2h (20:16):
Medtonic Minimed made a mistake by abandoning the luer-lock connectons to the infusion set and pump, you are obliged to buy Minimed’s sets, and I liked Disetronic (Accu-Check)’s sets better!
bernfarr says to (20:16):
What about Nilimedix? <a href=”http://www.nilimedix.com/index.html”>http://www.nilimedix.com/index.html</a>
Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (20:16):
In the end, I agree it’s service.
Rachel Hinman says to (20:16):
tell me more about the service
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gina says (20:16):
i think MM has really great customer service
mama2h says to (20:16):
bbl kids
gina says (20:17):
if something goes wrong you get a new pump next day
sstrumello says to mama2h (20:17):
Animas used to have great service, too … I can’t speak for it currently
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scott m says to Mama Belle (20:17):
I’m impressed with the companys who will overnight a pump for replacement/repair issues. I think MiniMed does that as for as I know
gina says (20:17):
You can call them anytime
daddy says to (20:17):
great example bernard. so there are at least two interesting tiny pumps getting worked on
bernfarr says to (20:17):
MM owns the market at present. You need to look at the competitors to see where the innovation is. You won’t find it at MM.
Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (20:17):
Someone there that isn’t “bothered by” your call no matter what time of the day. Or someone acting like it’s your fault or not thinking your stupid for not understanding something. Willing
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sstrumello says to (20:17):
Their billing, on the other hand, was a nightmare!
Rachel Hinman says to (20:17):
well that is another quesiton i have
Rachel Hinman says to (20:18):
are most of your pumps covered by insurance?
bernfarr says to (20:18):
Any company will overnight something. Cozmo did that for me (extra infusion sets) and I was just trying it out.
gina says (20:18):
billing? i have never had a problem
AllisonBlass says to bernfarr (20:18):
I think considering MM is the first integrated CGMS/pump, that they are quite innovative.
daddy says to (20:18):
only pumps on formulary are covered
gina says (20:18):
my pump was fully covered
AllisonBlass says to bernfarr (20:18):
I disagree that MM is oldfashioned or at all a mountain that can’t be moved.
daddy says to (20:18):
MM is the most advanced on the market right now
Mama Belle says to scott m (20:18):
It varies from insurance to insurance and plan to plan
Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (20:18):
We didn’t have a problem- but for others it’s a battle.
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Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (20:18):
CGMS- is going to be a problem
bernfarr says to (20:18):
Coverage varies. Most pumps are covered by many plans. Some issues (I hear) with OmniPod.
sue says to (20:18):
We have minimed with CGMS..it’s awesome
Mama Belle says to scott m (20:18):
Our Cozmo was covered 100%
sstrumello says to gina (20:19):
They invoiced insurance, but didn’t code it right, and I’d get bills for infusion sets and supplies for $1,000. I guess it depends on your insurance!
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Mama Belle says to scott m (20:19):
But other’s only get 80% coverage, it depends
bernfarr says to (20:19):
But CGMS is a different story. Insurance companies are looking for efficacy results.
daddy says to (20:19):
so do you guys like you CGMSs?
gina says (20:19):
what insurance do you have?
jon says to (20:19):
Kaiser would only cover Minimed or Animas
sue says to (20:19):
We’re in a study.
stacey says to (20:19):
Ins companies are just lloking not to pay
daddy says to (20:19):
Sue what kind of study
Mama Belle says to scott m (20:19):
Exactly
Rachel Hinman says to (20:19):
we spoke with a diabetic educator from kaiser
bernfarr says to (20:19):
CGMS are awesome. And my wife likes it too!
Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (20:19):
Correct, BUT anything NEW insurance is slow, you have to prove that it will lower there costs in the future
Rachel Hinman says to (20:19):
and she said that they only cover 1-2 kinds of pumps
Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (20:19):
HMO
sue says to (20:19):
Sensor is great.
daddy says to (20:20):
how did CGMS change things for you?
bernfarr says to (20:20):
Even if it is big and bulky. I’ve got Aetna, they’re not covering it universally yet.
gina says (20:20):
bern your pump or cgms
sstrumello says to Abby-Dabby-Doo (20:20):
What about avoiding a hypo-induced ambulance trip? Thats got to be at least a few hundred dollars?!
Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (20:20):
Anyone have an idea how much the charmr is going to run?
jon says to (20:20):
i really like the idea of adding features to the pumps such as mp3 players and video games
bernfarr says to (20:20):
CGMS made a lot of things easier. Can ‘test’ b4 driving just by looking. My wife can test while I drive by looking.
gina says (20:21):
thats really important
sue says to (20:21):
exactly
daddy says to (20:21):
cool bernfarr. is it accurate enought in your experience to do that?
bernfarr says to (20:21):
Pump is fully covered. Dexcom is not. I’ve yet to start the paperwork.
gina says (20:21):
pump companies should make the pumps affordable if your insurance cant cover
gina says (20:21):
i know thats probably not possible
bernfarr says to (20:21):
Absolutely. Unless it’s moving rapidly its remarkably accurate.
daddy says to (20:21):
that’s very good to hear
daddy says to (20:22):
so you do less fingerrstticks now?
Rachel Hinman says to (20:22):
cost? is cost important? would you pay for a cooler pump like the charmr if your insurance compay didn’t cover it or only partially covered it?
sue says to (20:22):
not always accurate..still need fingersticks but trending up and down you get alarms and can tweak basals
daddy says to (20:22):
do you does off of it?
reese says to (20:22):
do you feel better using it bernard?
bernfarr says to (20:22):
Not enough scale yet to reduce costs of these devices.
AllisonBlass says to bernfarr (20:22):
I probably would not pay for another pump if it was not covered.
daddy says to (20:22):
cost is everything
AllisonBlass says to bernfarr (20:22):
It just wouldn’t be worth it.
jon says to (20:22):
i would pay extra for a cooler pump for my kid
gina says (20:22):
cost is very important a mm pump costs i think like 6000 now
Mama Belle says to scott m (20:22):
I wouldn’t buy it if insurance didn’t cover it. D is expensive!
daddy says to (20:22):
yeah, i don’t have 5k laying around!
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bernfarr says to (20:22):
I wouldn’t pay extra 4 cool. I’d pay extra for convenience or data interpretation or better control.
gina says (20:22):
yea
Mama Belle says to scott m (20:22):
exactly bern
daddy says to (20:22):
bernfarr what do you see out there that is innovative?
scott m says to (20:22):
I only have acces to pumps that will be covered by insurance personally
sue says to (20:23):
ok, what’s the charmr
gina says (20:23):
sue click here <a href=”http://www.adaptivepath.com/blog/2007/08/14/charmr-a-design-concept-for-diabetes-management-devices/”>http://www.adaptivepath.com/blog/2007/08/14/charmr-a-design-concept-for-diabetes-management-devices/</a>
sue says to (20:23):
thanks
AllisonBlass says to (20:23):
It’s a pump that’s currently in concept.
bernfarr says to (20:23):
daddy not a whole lot of innovation right now. Just incremental improvements.
Mama Belle says to scott m (20:23):
So by the time it got approval would the tech be outdated?
bernfarr says to (20:23):
But I expect we’ll see more innovation within 2-3 years as next gen devices arrive.
daddy says to (20:24):
everything is outdated by the time it gets approved 😉
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AllisonBlass says to (20:24):
Something is only outdated if something newer is available…
Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (20:25):
I don’t like it that my insurance won’t let me get something else for 4 years. It really makes you think before you get something, because something better might come out.
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daddy says to (20:25):
well, anything on the market is five years old, by definition of approval process. so it’s not like an ipod that changes every six months.
gina says (20:25):
abby but that is the same with anything even a new computer
AllisonBlass says to (20:25):
Since everything takes so long to be approved, I don’t think “everything” is outdated right away.
daddy says to (20:25):
yeah, insurance sure waits too!
sstrumello says to AllisonBlass (20:25):
There’s outdated by better technology, but most stuff is outdated by minor, insignificant design changes
daddy says to (20:25):
not true, compute dev cycle is months, not years
Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (20:25):
But we should be able to add to it like software or upgrade the memeory- not have to buy a whole new piece
AllisonBlass says to (20:25):
It’s not the same with diabetes.
bernfarr says to (20:25):
Rachel I think we all try to get the most out of what we’re using. Partly because insurance never pays for it all. Hence using 7-day CGM sensors for as long as possible.
AllisonBlass says to (20:26):
I agree in most tech fields, but not with diabetes…
sstrumello says to AllisonBlass (20:26):
Think about glucose meters, most strip designs are over a decade old now
daddy says to (20:26):
exactly sstrumello
AllisonBlass says to (20:26):
What makes that outdated though?
t1p3285 says to scott m (20:26):
yeah but if theres a flaw w/the newest computers it cant potentially kill you
jon says to (20:26):
you should be able to download alarm tones like you can with ring tones on a phone
daddy says to (20:26):
compare agamatrix technology and accuracy to one touch ultra for example
daddy says to (20:26):
agamatrix uses advanced DSP technology for more accuracy
daddy says to (20:26):
technological advance
daddy says to (20:27):
(same guys who invented the one touch by the way)
sstrumello says to AllisonBlass (20:27):
Nothing, I’m agreeing with you, most are not outdated, they merely look newer or have minor changes
gina says (20:27):
right
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bernfarr says to (20:27):
Plus agamatrix has done a nice job with user experience on the meter AND on the software. See my YouTube video. Even nice test strip design.
Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (20:27):
Like on the MM it doesn’t show IOB- couldn’t you buy software to make it do that
Mama Belle says to scott m (20:27):
So with a feature like a touch screen, how would you prevent accidentally accessing and changing menus or dosing insulin?
daddy says to (20:27):
yeah they are doing a good job
Rachel Hinman says to (20:27):
i know there are a lot of challenges that have some up – cost, size/bulkiness, accuracy…i’m curious to know as a designer, if there was one thing we could change to make managing your diabetes easier, what would it be?
daddy says to (20:28):
cure!
macksdaddy65 says to (20:28):
how many people in this chat are using the hot new agamatrix technology?
gina says (20:28):
after a cure…
bernfarr says to (20:28):
Reduce the amount of time we spend every day trying 2 control it.
gina says (20:28):
haha
Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (20:28):
personal choices
gina says (20:28):
bern yes
daddy says to (20:28):
yeah easier data management and more saffety. and accuracy.
bernfarr says to (20:28):
I’m use agamtrix as my backup. Have 2 use OneTouch because of my Dexcom.
Mama Belle says to scott m (20:28):
“Reduce the amount of time we spend every day trying 2 control it.”
Exactly
sue says to (20:28):
artificial pancreas
scott m says to (20:28):
Wireless control of pump is exciting to me…
sstrumello says to Rachel Hinman (20:28):
All the stuff we have to carry around to manage it 24/7/365. We guys have to carry around a diabetes purse, not very cool.
Mama Belle says to scott m (20:28):
CGMS and infusion set in one site
gina says (20:29):
lol
bernfarr says to (20:29):
Look most devices now just help us in short term.
sue says to (20:29):
yeah mama
bernfarr says to (20:29):
What’s my blood sugar right now. What do I need to take for this meal.
bernfarr says to (20:29):
But where are the devices/software telling me what happens every other day when I exercise, or every time I’m sick, or have my period.
30ccsteven says to (20:29):
but we have the help!
sue says to (20:29):
ditto
bernfarr says to (20:29):
We need stuff that helps witht he longer term also.
bernfarr says to (20:30):
30ccsteven what help?
Mama Belle says to scott m (20:30):
yes!
Rachel Hinman says to (20:30):
i’m curious also o know hat aspect of the charmr concept was especially appealing to you guys
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t1p3285 says to (20:30):
the size
daddy says to (20:30):
i like the touch screen
t1p3285 says to (20:30):
or lack of
daddy says to (20:30):
and it’s pretty looking
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Mama Belle says to (20:30):
Size
Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (20:30):
size
Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (20:30):
beat ya
scott m says to (20:30):
I like the compact size of the charmr and expecially the ease of use/user interface
gina says (20:30):
size
bernfarr says to (20:30):
Size and concept of integrated control interface. Tho I guess the MM has that in a way.
30ccsteven says to (20:30):
the change that has allowed us to enjoy the benifits of better BS control.
daddy says to (20:30):
has anyone used it? is it really easier?
AllisonBlass says to (20:31):
It looked like something I could tuck into my bra and wouldn’t at all ever show.
AllisonBlass says to (20:31):
even with something lowcut and sleezy!
AllisonBlass says to (20:31):
🙂
bernfarr says to (20:31):
Allison, you’re a bad diabetic 😉
Rachel Hinman says to (20:31):
it’s stil a concept – so no one has used it *yet*
AllisonBlass says to (20:31):
I am not!
Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (20:31):
I hope the alarm can be turned loud. That would be great for kids sleeping in the next room or heavy sleepers
Mama Belle says to (20:32):
YES!!!
sstrumello says to Rachel Hinman (20:32):
Just sleazy … LOL!
daddy says to (20:32):
well i don’t see what is so innovative about it really – other companies already are working on compined pump cgms
AllisonBlass says to (20:32):
🙁
AllisonBlass says to (20:32):
hehehe
bernfarr says to (20:32):
I think you need an audio output for the alarm. That would help with kids.
Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (20:32):
how about loud and vibrate at the same time
bernfarr says to (20:32):
Abby-Dabby the Dexcom has that. And it’s annoying sometimes.
gina says (20:32):
and a parental remote
scott m says to (20:32):
Vibrating alarms are a must
Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (20:32):
at 4am I wouldn’t be cursing it
Rachel Hinman says to (20:33):
i am also curious to hear how you guys currently keep track of your data – is it stored in your pump? do you write things down?
bernfarr says to (20:33):
More customization about when it’s loud and when it reminds you and how often it tells you that you’re high.
Rachel Hinman says to (20:33):
keep a journal?
Mama Belle says to (20:33):
Stored
t1p3285 says to (20:33):
maybe I missed this part but any thought to given to an alarm system of the unit being separated from the person?
Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (20:33):
I write EVERYTHING done
scott m says to (20:33):
excell spreadsheet
bernfarr says to (20:33):
Downloaded from my 3 devices onto my PC.
AllisonBlass says to (20:33):
download… sometimes….
gina says (20:33):
i write down first then put it into the computer
bernfarr says to (20:33):
But my endo doesn’t use the software.
sstrumello says to (20:33):
We need standardized data outputs, that can be merged together from multiple sources
Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (20:33):
I’d like to wake up and see her number not so see what her number is.
Mama Belle says to (20:33):
Yes, we download all of our devices into seprarte programs … annoying!
jon says to (20:33):
writing it all down sucks
Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (20:33):
*not get out of bed to go see her number
bernfarr says to (20:34):
Stuff like <a href=”http://SugarStats.com”>http://SugarStats.com</a> is going to be the future there I think.
daddy says to (20:34):
we need systems that are complete and cohesive. so far minimed is closest, but others are working to that also.
jon says to (20:34):
the minimed pump keeps track of most data
bernfarr says to (20:34):
jon yes it does. But you ahve to use the lousy BD meter to get at it. 🙂
macksdaddy65 says to (20:34):
so I guess that’s only one person using the hot new agamatrix meter and only part time? and that is the newest and most innovative meter. hmmm?
Rachel Hinman says to (20:34):
so what do you guys do with the data your write down/put in excel/download
jon says to (20:34):
but downloading minimed is a pain
Rachel Hinman says to (20:34):
how is that data helpful to you?
Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (20:34):
but I don’t want to have to push buttons to see the IOB
daddy says to (20:34):
sure it is
daddy says to (20:34):
it’s not automatic
sstrumello says to (20:35):
Can we say comma separated values?!
bernfarr says to (20:35):
Rachel data is not much help to me, because I can’t analyse it. And you can only look at pretty graphs for so long. 🙂
jon says to (20:35):
the diabetes educator downloads the pump to see how my son has been doing and make adjustments
Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (20:35):
Can’t it pick out a trend for you that’s out of range instead of having to look for it
Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (20:35):
Same here Jon
scott m says to (20:35):
I use the data for averages/ patterns/ overall record for future comparison
Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (20:36):
Did I get thrown off?
sstrumello says to Abby-Dabby-Doo (20:36):
I agree, the averages are useless, and you need to scroll through them to give us our last reading!
reese says to (20:36):
i don’t log as my outcomes are not that consistent, to many variables
daddy says to (20:36):
yeah, most of the stats are not meaningful
Mama Belle says to (20:36):
I use trends all the time to figure out adjustments
Rachel Hinman says to (20:36):
i am wondering if they could be more meaningul
jon says to (20:36):
the averages might be more useful to those with type 2, but are usuless for type 1
Rachel Hinman says to (20:36):
meaningful, i mean
Rachel Hinman says to (20:37):
if there was a way to visualize the information better
scott m says to (20:37):
When I test alot during the day I feel the graphs I get from the data entry is very helpful. Like seeing trends without a CGMS
Rachel Hinman says to (20:37):
i agree – you can only look at graphs for so long
reese says to (20:37):
but it is hard to tell if the adjustment should be to the carbs, the bolus, or the basal, or the fact you used the stairs versus the elevator
daddy says to (20:37):
right, too many variables
sstrumello says to (20:37):
Perhaps having a slope of the increase or decrease in CGM values, as the actual value is less important than how fast it is changing
daddy says to (20:37):
very difficult to do real analysis w/o enought information
jon says to (20:38):
if the pump could wirelessly connect to the computer or printer, it would be easier to print out the info
Mama Belle says to (20:38):
I agree that there needs to be some way to integrate lifestyle info into the results. If you can’t see which BGs or setting coordinate with hormones or stress then you can’t use that information to make changes in the future
Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (20:38):
I would like school time on there. I can control what time PE is. Sorry I know this is usless for adults.
bernfarr says to (20:38):
Without helpful analysis software, the data quantity will increase and our ability to use it meaningfully will go down. One of the things in my paper on the need for diabetes data standards. <a href=”http://tinyurl.com/33ewtt”>http://tinyurl.com/33ewtt</a>
reese says to (20:38):
now the cgms giving me realtime data would be a gift and something I could address immediately
jon says to (20:38):
minimed pumps already communicate wirelessly with the bd meter, so it shouldn’t be hard to connect them to a computer
gina says (20:38):
sorry guys and menstrual cycles
Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (20:38):
The BD meter is JUNK!
Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (20:38):
IMO
jon says to (20:39):
yes and i think bd has been discontinued
jon says to (20:39):
i don’t know how minimed is handling that
bernfarr says to (20:39):
Yep. BD will be replaced with OneTouch next year.
bernfarr says to (20:39):
Overseas will be replaced by Bayer meter.
Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (20:39):
Thank goodness. It doesn’t even have a back light for goodness sakes
jon says to (20:39):
i think the meters could be improved too
macksdaddy65 says to 30ccsteven (20:39):
I think meters have been improved
Rachel Hinman says to (20:39):
so how many of you would get a CGMS if they were more accurate?
Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (20:40):
Raising hand
daddy says to (20:40):
ultra2 is improved ove ultra (data marking)
Mama Belle says to (20:40):
I would get one now if insurance would cover it
bernfarr says to (20:40):
I have one and I’d replace it if it were more accurate and needed less feeding (sync wiht a meter).
daddy says to (20:40):
agamatrix is improved
jon says to (20:40):
there was a pocket pc that had a glucose meter attachment, maybe they could do that with a cell phone or pocket calculator
macksdaddy65 says to 30ccsteven (20:40):
cgms is about reimbursement first and usability (simplicity) second
scott m says to (20:40):
, if insurance would help pay for it
sstrumello says to (20:40):
I like the backlight feature on meters, I’m thinking Freestyle Flash, for example, with lighting of the test strip as well … great for using in movie theaters or in the dark
bernfarr says to (20:40):
How about a system (CGM/Pump) that has a bluetooth interface and have the controller software on your mobile phone?
daddy says to (20:40):
doesn’t ultra2 have a backlight now? or no?
Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (20:40):
We can ONLY use Lifescan strips PER insurance.
Mama Belle says to (20:41):
It has back light but nothing for the strip
Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (20:41):
Yes Ultra2 does
jon says to (20:41):
nice bernfarr!
daddy says to (20:41):
my phone dies enought as it is
sstrumello says to jon (20:41):
That would be really cool, a pocket PC in my cell phone with a built in meter
daddy says to (20:41):
🙂
Mama Belle says to (20:41):
The lighted strip for the flash is so helpful with kids
jon says to (20:41):
and put an mp3 player in there
macksdaddy65 says to 30ccsteven (20:41):
insurance does not prohibit you from acquiring the tools you need.
bernfarr says to (20:41):
Yeh, but without the other gizmos, you’d have more room for BIGGER BATTERIES. ^o)
Mama Belle says to (20:41):
Yes it does
daddy says to (20:42):
haha there you go
Rachel Hinman says to (20:42):
<a href=”http://www.medgadget.com/archives/2007/08/glucophone.html”>http://www.medgadget.com/archives/2007/08/glucophone.html</a>
jon says to (20:42):
they could put those rechargable lithium battery packs in there like the cell phones
Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (20:42):
Not if your wealthy
Mama Belle says to (20:42):
Which I am not
Mama Belle says to (20:42):
NOr do I know anyone who is
Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (20:42):
8-| I haven’t found that money tree yet
bernfarr says to (20:43):
Rachel I wonder how the glucophone will look after 6 months of bg testing with drops of dried blood all over it. :-}
Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (20:43):
what is free with diabetes?
bernfarr says to (20:43):
The aggravation?
Mama Belle says to (20:43):
Sleepless nights!
reese says to (20:43):
ding ding ding, bernard
scott m says to Rachel Hinman (20:43):
What a great concept
Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (20:43):
other than emotions or feelings
sstrumello says to Rachel Hinman (20:43):
I like the Glucophone concept, but don’t want to send the data wirelessly, I’m already having my hemoglobin A1C test results seized by the NYC Health Dept. without my consent, I don’t want anyone else to get to it!
macksdaddy65 says to 30ccsteven (20:43):
highs are free ;(
reese says to (20:43):
has your aggravation lessened by using the cgms bernard?
bernfarr says to (20:43):
Good. And lows (BG or caused by stress).
bernfarr says to (20:44):
reese it has been reduced enormously.
*** (20:44):Welcome to The Charmr Project Chat , sixuntilme !
bernfarr says to (20:44):
Hey kerri where were u?
jon says to (20:44):
you could store info on an 8 gb memory card and stick it into the computer for download
sixuntilme says to (20:44):
Hey sorry I’m late. But I’m here now. 🙂
Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (20:44):
Evening!
bernfarr says to (20:44):
reese I also saw my a1c go from 8.2 to 7.0 in 3 months at least partly because of CGMS.
sstrumello says to jon (20:44):
Much better idea!
jon says to (20:45):
thats how my cell phone works
Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (20:45):
Why wouldn’t insurance pay for just that! Lower A1C…
daddy says to (20:45):
so tell us more aobut charmr
macksdaddy65 says to (20:45):
tell us more about the chrmr
jon says to (20:45):
i can transfer pics, music, and whatever else that way
Rachel Hinman says to (20:45):
what would you like to know?
daddy says to (20:45):
how long until it’s developed?
reese says to (20:45):
because insurance companies don’t get it they just look at cost
Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (20:45):
How far out?
daddy says to (20:45):
what kind of cost?
scott m says to (20:45):
Is there an expected launch date for the Charmr, or financial support for it yet?
daddy says to (20:45):
will it use normal consumables?
jon says to (20:45):
you could keep pictures on the pump and even have them pop up as screen savers
Rachel Hinman says to (20:45):
originally – we though2-3 years out
macksdaddy65 says to (20:45):
what kind of sensor is it?
Mama Belle says to (20:45):
Can you lock out the touch screen?
daddy says to (20:45):
oh
Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (20:46):
Need guinea pigs?
daddy says to (20:46):
well isn’t MM going to have something out before that though?
Rachel Hinman says to (20:46):
yes – you can lock the touch screen
daddy says to (20:46):
they are working on artificial pancreas right now w/ JDRF
Mama Belle says to (20:46):
Thanks
bernfarr says to (20:46):
I think all the charmr parts/pieces are already available. Right? So is it just that you need a company to take the concept and run with it?
Rachel Hinman says to (20:46):
we are looking to find a company to partner with to see what can be done to develop the concept further
Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (20:46):
What is the best feature? The selling point?
Mama Belle says to (20:46):
Approx dimensions?
daddy says to (20:46):
has anyone offered to fund the effort?
Rachel Hinman says to (20:47):
the approximate dimensions are slightly larger than a thumb drive
macksdaddy65 says to (20:47):
what is unique about charmer that a company would want? that isn’t already available?
Rachel Hinman says to (20:47):
and slightly smaller than an ipod nano
gina says (20:47):
i said before it looked like a jump drive
Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (20:47):
Is it possible to get ONE stick out of the deal?
reese says to (20:47):
Get in touch with Lee Ioccoco 🙂
bernfarr says to (20:47):
My concern is that your concept in the hands of a current company will be like the parody of Microsoft redesigning the iPod package. <a href=”http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeXAcwriid0″>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeXAcwriid0</a>
Rachel Hinman says to (20:47):
yes – we would like to avoid that
daddy says to (20:47):
the nanos they came out w/ today or the one’s from six months ago?
Rachel Hinman says to (20:48):
either seems as though it would be better than what diabetics are currently using
daddy says to (20:48):
yeah, hopefully not microsoft eh!
t1p3285 says to gina (20:48):
is there WORKING PROTOTYPE or is this just a concept on paper??
Rachel Hinman says to (20:48):
to manage their condition
Rachel Hinman says to (20:48):
it’s a concept on paper
macksdaddy65 says to (20:48):
what kind of data does the chrmr consider? bg, insulin?
Rachel Hinman says to (20:48):
some aspects we have prototyped physically
gina says to t1p3285 (private) (20:48):
chris?
Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (20:48):
Where can we follow your progress?
Rachel Hinman says to (20:49):
but we really need a company to work with for funding
t1p3285 says to gina (20:49):
sup
t1p3285 says to gina (private) (20:49):
oops sup
bernfarr says to (20:49):
I like the food database on the Cozmo and Animas pumps. Does the charmr have a similar idea?
sstrumello says to (20:49):
Consider licensing the concept to multiple companies, or negotiating with JDRF to buy the patent rights as they are with some new drugs
Rachel Hinman says to (20:49):
the project started as an internal R&amp;D prpject
gina says to t1p3285 (private) (20:49):
how do you like this cool right
Rachel Hinman says to (20:49):
that was sponsored by our company
macksdaddy65 says to (20:49):
what about the whole patent thing like what happened between Smiths and MM?
daddy says to (20:49):
sounds like a neat project to work on. has it been fun?
t1p3285 says to gina (private) (20:49):
yeah- wich some people wouldve done theior homework though
t1p3285 says to gina (private) (20:49):
having no clue- ya know?
gina says to t1p3285 (private) (20:49):
what do you mean
Rachel Hinman says to (20:49):
we are thinking of trying to do what debra adler did – with the target pill bottle concept
gina says to t1p3285 (private) (20:49):
oh
reese says to (20:50):
diabetes and fun should never be in the same sentence 😉
t1p3285 says to gina (private) (20:50):
I did send a newsletter out last night to hype this !
macksdaddy65 says to (20:50):
haha
Rachel Hinman says to (20:50):
she talked to a lot of companies – walgreens, cvs
gina says to t1p3285 (private) (20:50):
oh nice thanks
bernfarr says to (20:50):
That Target pill bottle was just a lovely piece of work.
Rachel Hinman says to (20:50):
then she met target – and they made it happen
bernfarr says to (20:50):
So have Target take it and run with it. 🙂
Mama Belle says to (20:50):
I also loke the food database. Have you considered this?
daddy says to (20:51):
yeah food database, very handy
Rachel Hinman says to (20:51):
well, that is why i am wondering who is the “target” of the pump/medical device world
sstrumello says to Rachel Hinman (20:51):
The only issue is that until it is widely adopted by CVS, Walgreens, etc. it fails to reach the masses
daddy says to (20:51):
insurance company reimbursement, then companies follow
daddy says to (20:51):
nothing is done w/o reimbursement
Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (20:51):
Who makes the luer locks for the MM pump? Anyone know?
macksdaddy65 says to (20:51):
how much do you think it will take to commercialize?
bernfarr says to (20:51):
I think part of the challenge is that FDA has stuck with the reliability and functionality tiers of the design hierarchy of needs. And so the device companies are there also.
Rachel Hinman says to (20:51):
true – but it shows what is possible
bernfarr says to (20:51):
Rachel what do you mean by target?
t1p3285 says to gina (20:52):
ant thought into a separation alarm? What happens if the person forgets the accessory piece?
Rachel Hinman says to (20:52):
i mean Target – the retail chain
bernfarr says to (20:52):
Ooops. Sorry.
Rachel Hinman says to (20:52):
np
Rachel Hinman says to (20:52):
sorry i wasn’t more clear
reese says to (20:52):
i was confused too bernard
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Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (20:52):
Well, you just made me want to shop there more!
Mama Belle says to (20:52):
Yeah, what does happen if you forget the charm?
bernfarr says to (20:53):
Sorry about my short-term memory. I’d talk with JDRF and see who they think are most innovative and deep pocketed for the artificial pancreas work.
t1p3285 says to gina (20:53):
i personally would like alil shock device- to teach my son to remember it
daddy says to (20:53):
JDRF is already doing this w/ MM
daddy says to (20:54):
they are doding artificial pancreas w/ them which does all this suff. packaging will be an all in one unt.
t1p3285 says to gina (20:54):
he forgets it and ZAP!!!
daddy says to (20:54):
haha ouch t1p!
bernfarr says to (20:54):
But I think the ‘obvious’ answer is MM. Look at some of the early stage startups like Nilimedix and MichoChips. Maybe there VC companies would commit to this.
daddy says to (20:54):
i bet FDA would love that hehe
sstrumello says to bernfarr (20:54):
The (relatively) new CEO is really pushing to have the JDRF organization serve the role of filling in the gaps in terms of scientific and/or commercial development, and considerable progress has been made just in the last 12 months
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macksdaddy65 says to (20:55):
art panc progress w JDRF $s is great but how does that make people feel who donated for a cure? maybe better question for another chat.
bernfarr says to (20:55):
The other challenge is that this is not a normal consumer device with a market of millions. If you make it more approachable/usable then the market is in the 100’s of thousands.
Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (20:56):
I wish someone would focus on the little ones for something someday- IMO it’s all focused around adults.
bernfarr says to (20:56):
So getting the costs really low is not possible. And unless it’s approachable getting the average person w/diabetes to adopt it is not that easy.
bernfarr says to (20:56):
We’re the noisy minority in this room. 🙂
sstrumello says to macksdaddy65 (20:56):
Its probably a question for another chat, but I think the perspective is that treatment has fundamentally not changed in 90 years, and its no worse than pushing stem cell research on some who don’t support it.
macksdaddy65 says to (20:56):
yep
Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (20:57):
I can’t even buy a decent thing to carry the damn pump in on MM website. 😐
daddy says to (20:57):
yeah, i guess bayer is doing some stuff too
daddy says to (20:57):
around better meters
reese says to (20:57):
i agree abby
AllisonBlass says to (20:58):
What do you mean?
bernfarr says to (20:58):
Abby-dabby one day your kids will be grown-ups and you’ll find that a lot of it is focused on kids. 🙂 For example, no T1 conference for adults and relatively few endos that work with adults.
AllisonBlass says to (20:58):
Like a holder?
Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (20:58):
Anything.
AllisonBlass says to (20:58):
I have a clip for the pump
AllisonBlass says to (20:58):
that I bought on their website.
Mama Belle says to (20:58):
Kids don’t wear clips
Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (20:58):
Nothing appealing for the younger generation. I mean can we get anymore boring with black and blue
AllisonBlass says to (20:58):
PumpWear Inc.
AllisonBlass says to (20:58):
try there
t1p3285 says to gina (20:58):
my son does
reese says to (20:59):
but it sticks out allison with a shirt over the waist, tucking in is not cool
bernfarr says to (20:59):
abby I’m surprised the pump makers don’t follow the phone or ipod form factors. Then we’d be spoilt for choice in terms of carriers and accessories.
Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (20:59):
That clip would last us less than a week, and pull her pants OFF in the process of wearing it.
Mama Belle says to (20:59):
So does mine, but in general they don’t especially the wee ones
AllisonBlass says to (20:59):
But no clip?
AllisonBlass says to (20:59):
Sorry I guess I don’t understand the question….
Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (20:59):
Why do I have to go to pumpwear? Why can’t the damn company come up with something? Don’t they give a rip about the little ones?
Mama Belle says to (20:59):
Accessories aren’t kid oriented, that is what she was getting at, I think
Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (21:00):
Yep
sstrumello says to Mama Belle (21:00):
Animas’ clips (at least early generations) were screwed in with a screwdriver … your kid would have to be pretty destructive to remove it!
AllisonBlass says to (21:00):
MM has those new skins for the pumps.
AllisonBlass says to (21:00):
Those are pretty cool.
bernfarr says to (21:00):
Agreed. Look at the buzz over the OneTouch Mini.
Mama Belle says to (21:00):
My daughter is older and wears jeans and stuff with pockets a lot, but when she was younger she wore no pockets with cotten knit stuff. That doesn’t work well with a clip
bernfarr says to (21:00):
How innovative was that?
macksdaddy65 says to (21:00):
what about the chrmr sensor/longevity and how that relates to frequency of change outs and usability, etc… if you swap out every week vs. every month that makes a big difference in the design, yes?
AllisonBlass says to (21:01):
I have the jellybeans one. Just yesterday when I was at the doctor’s, I had a 4-year-old girl tapping at my pump because she saw the jellybeans on it.
Mama Belle says to (21:01):
One touch mini is crap IMHO
AllisonBlass says to (21:01):
I love the mini.
bernfarr says to (21:01):
Agreed. But the colors are pretty!
daddy says to (21:01):
why is it crap?
AllisonBlass says to (21:01):
what’s wrong with the mini?
bernfarr says to (21:01):
And when they add a download it’ll take off
Mama Belle says to (21:01):
It does way less than the flash and is bigger!
bernfarr says to (21:01):
Coz the size is hard to beat.
Rachel Hinman says to (21:01):
i think we were thinking every 3-4 days/week
sstrumello says to (21:01):
I like the Mini too, its tiny … the only downside is that the data can’t be downloaded (yet)
Mama Belle says to (21:01):
I don’t see what the big deal is about it. You can’t dload it
daddy says to (21:02):
good point mama belle
Mama Belle says to (21:02):
It has no light
bernfarr says to (21:02):
dload is coming later in year.
scott m says to sixuntilme (21:02):
The biggest issue I have with the Mini is the small BG history it keeps
AllisonBlass says to (21:02):
Oh well.
AllisonBlass says to (21:02):
Ok, well, I’m going to go.
AllisonBlass says to (21:02):
Bye everyone.
Mama Belle says to (21:02):
BYe!
bernfarr says to (21:02):
Hey Allison. Nice blog post. TTFN.
Mama Belle says to (21:02):
(})
Rachel Hinman says to (21:02):
hey folks – i am going to have to sign off, too.
scott m says to sixuntilme (21:02):
Bye Allison
Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (21:02):
Ya, and you can’t download it, no back light. It’s pink and that’s all my dd likes
Mama Belle says to (21:02):
BYe! Thank you!
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Rachel Hinman says to (21:02):
it’s been great chatting with all of you!
sstrumello says to Mama Belle (21:02):
Try being a guy and carrying a purse to carry all of this crap around, and then you’ll see what the big deal is!
daddy says to (21:03):
yes great chat
bernfarr says to (21:03):
Rachel good to talk with u. [email protected]
gina says to t1p3285 (21:03):
thanks for chatting rachel
scott m says to (21:03):
Thanks Rachel
Rachel Hinman says to (21:03):
please feel free to email me with any more comments: [email protected]
Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (21:03):
Thank you for your time Rachel!
Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (21:03):
BEST OF LUCK
Rachel Hinman says to (21:03):
thanks!
sstrumello says to (21:03):
Thanks Rachel, you’ve been great and very gracious considering how vocal we all are!!
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bernfarr says to (21:03):
We should start a Charmr pool. Money pays for the first one! 🙂
gina says (21:03):
lol
scott m says to (21:04):
Wow, very ambitious project. I hope some headway is made on this one
Mama Belle says to (21:04):
“Try being a guy and carrying a purse to carry all of this crap around, and
then you’ll see what the big deal is!”
I promise you, as a parent I carry around more than you do. Also, again the flash is smaller!
bernfarr says to (21:04):
Night night everyone. Good talking with y’all.
Abby-Dabby-Doo says to (21:04):
Go mama
daddy says to (21:04):
yeah, but he still has to carry a MAN PURSE!
bernfarr says to (21:04):
Gina thanks for organizing.
Mama Belle says to (21:04):
Awww, buck up!
scott m says to (21:04):
Let’s hear it for the Freestlye Flash! Yea
Mama Belle says to (21:04):
Yes, thanks Gina!
sstrumello says to Mama Belle (21:04):
Yes, but the downside is the Flash uses those awful test strips
Mama Belle says to (21:05):
What’s wrong with the strips?
gina says (21:05):
no problem guys!
Mama Belle says to (21:05):
We have zero strip issues
reese says to (21:05):
why awful
bernfarr says to (21:05):
If anyone is in Connecticut on Sunday drop by and cheer for us. <a href=”http://bikethemiles.com”>http://bikethemiles.com</a>.
scott m says to (21:05):
aweful?
gina says (21:05):
if there are any other chats you guys think you want to have let mem know
t1p3285 says to gina (21:05):
Gina- I was just typing when she left but what type of credentials does the company Rachel works for has for making this a go?
reese says to (21:05):
good luck bernard
gina says (21:05):
<a href=”http://www.adaptivepath.com/blog/2007/08/14/charmr-a-design-concept-for-diabetes-management-devices/”>http://www.adaptivepath.com/blog/2007/08/14/charmr-a-design-concept-for-diabetes-management-devices/</a>
reese says to (21:05):
insurance companies and payment for cgms, gina
30ccsteven says to (21:05):
BYE
sstrumello says to (21:05):
Good luch, Bernard!
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gina says (21:05):
ok reese good idea!
Mama Belle says to (21:06):
Yes, what reese said
bernfarr says to (21:06):
t1p3285 Adaptive Path is way up there. In the same level as Frogg design who helped on several Apple devices. Good company.
scott m says to (21:06):
Good luck with biking those miles!
gina says (21:06):
hey guys
gina says (21:06):
if you all sign up to my diabetestalkfest.ning.com page you will get updates on the latest chats
gina says (21:06):
and past transcripts
Mama Belle says to (21:06):
Already on it
gina says (21:06):
great
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sstrumello says to (21:07):
Plus, the chatroom is accessible from that page, too!
sixuntilme says to Abby-Dabby-Doo (21:07):
Sorry I was so late. 🙁 But great seeing everyone here.
Mama Belle says to (21:07):
Bye Kerri